Saturday, February 13, 2016

Fury X testing results

Optional intro

I hate power management algorithms. Sure they save you some power but they make overclocking a nightmare. The smarter they try to be the worse they are. Back when this blog first started I wrote a really long and terrible rant about Nvidia's boost algorithm and AMD's beginnings of what is now know as power tune. The TL;DR of that article can be: Nvidia's is dumb because you can't set core clock and AMD's is dumb because it's broken. Well Nvidia's hasn't changed and AMD's is possibly more broken now then ever before.

I promised a Fury/ Fury X overclocking guide some time ago. I also promised to whoop the ass of Nvidia GTX 980 Ti SLI setups in 3Dmark. If you follow me anywhere where I can be followed you are aware that I haven't delivered either and the facebook followers should know that I've complained that I can't even beat my old Fury score because AMD's drivers are garbage.

Well today I will show you what the problem is.

End of optional intro

TESTING METHOD
I used free cam mode in Unigine to park next to a wall so I could quickly track FPS changes. I was running Unigine Heaven at very low settings so that I was getting about 274FPS at stock clocks. I was running Unigine windowed and had Trixx open so I could change settings and immediately see the FPS changes. After every batch of readigns I checked that the FPS at stock clocks was still the same.

Here are the results in all their glory:



































































































































The core clock and HBM clock scaling in Unigine at 1440x900p is unsurprisingly garbage however what is surprising is the voltage scaling. You can see that even though I did not touch core clock or HBM clock, FPS goes down as I raised core voltage. Also note how power limit did nothing to prevent this drop in FPS. Basically AMD's power tune is as usual completely freaking broken.

Now I would like to see if this is the case for all Fury Xs so if you have one could you do me a favor and just check what happens to your FPS if you're at stock clocks and set core voltage to +96mv and to +198mv. you can mod Trixx to do that using this guide and post your findings in the anonymous comments bellow this post. You will need to run at least 55% fan speed to prevent the VRM from overheating.

For me this perfectly explains why running a 1225mhz core clock with +175mv scores lower than stock clocks in 3Dmark.

Luckily I can just hard mod the card for more power however I'd rather not do that and so I started doing a little investigating. First thing I found is that my PowerColor Fury Xs have 2 100% identical BIOSs. This goes against what some reviewers said about the Fury X coming with a 350W and 250W BIOS. So I've started searching for a 350W BIOS in hopes of getting rid of at least some of the negative scaling. I've also tried to contact AMD about providing a custom 600W BIOS but I doubt I will get a response much less an actual 600W BIOS. So I'll probably end up soldering 600ohm resistors in place of the 300 ohm resistors used for current sensing.

BTW for all those wondering about Fury X VRM temps. They are directly related to core temperature(duuurrr they share a heatsink) so if you're running stock setting and the core is at 70C the VRM is between 90-100C. If the core is at 40C the VRM will be at 60-70C.

Update:
So I've tried several custom BIOS with power limits as high as 768W and got no benefit. I also tried the clock blocker program also no benefit. I'm going try a 65000W BIOS but at this point I don't think it will make a difference. 

DON'T READ THIS IF YOU DON'T LIKE PEOPLE COMPLAINING
As you've probably noticed the table is missing 2 of my favorite data sets. Real world core voltage and power draw are both missing because someone stole my parcel which contained the equipment for measuring those. I still can't believe that the UK doesn't offer pay on delivery. I'm also in limbo about ordering anything else because the idiots running deliveries here would probably leave that in front of my door too.

13 comments:

  1. Have you tried to mess with the power limit?Is setting it at 150 a no brainer ?
    Did you observe the negative scaling in performance at anything between +12mV and 30 mV ?

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  2. Ok here are my results,fire strike at 55 fan speed gpu idle temp 25 °C:
    - +96 mV 15982 G score max temp 39 °C
    - +48 mV 16130 38
    - stock voltage 16189 37

    This was done on a Saphhire Fury x (vstock is 1.2 V )

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  3. Some more results:
    1150/590 mHz +18 mV 17114 points.
    1160/600 mHz +24 mV 17132

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    1. Those voltages are too close together and your changing the core clock. I need isolated results so do the testing with the same core and HBM clock and different voltages.

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  4. Hey bud nice work! I own a 380 as well as a Fury X, so I like this tear down series you're compiling.

    Here's a couple of Firestrikes if you are interested.

    (Stock): http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10949667
    (+72mv, +50PL): http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10252462

    Hope those help!

    I can't get any higher than 1155 @ +96mv (In Afterburner). I did the whole Trixx modification but it seemed way more unstable even at the exact same clocks and voltages as AB, so I decided to heck with that. Had some higher voltage benchmarks but I can't find them now.

    A couple of questions. I can't seem to get my HBM past 572 without artifacting. Could this be alleviated by a custom Wattage bios, or is 572 my permanent ceiling and just the luck of the draw?

    If so, would you mind sharing =)

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  5. How many watts is pulling from the wall when you put 150%?
    (Single,duo,triple)

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    1. The most I ever measured the card pulling was 32A on the 8pins. At the time I didn't have the equipment to measure wall power draw and ATM the RVE is out for RMA so I can't retest. Also I only have 2 Fury Xs still working so no 3 way even once the RVE gets back.

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  6. Same results here in unigine heaven my fury x does 110-111 stock volt
    +48 it does 109-110 and +96 109-108-107
    The stock dpm 7 VDDC is 1.168 asic 71.7

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  7. how do you get your power limit passed 50%?

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  8. Im late but here it goes (Unigine Bench) :
    -Stock +150% 0mV --> FPS:50.7 Score:2120 Min FPS:23.8 Max FPS:97.1
    -Stock +150% 50mV--> FPS:50.7 Score:2122 Min FPS:27.1 Max FPS:96.3
    -Stock +150% 75mV--> FPS:50.6 Score:2117 Min FPS:27.3 Max FPS:96.3
    Avg from 3 runs each. It's almost nothing.
    I tried 100mv but it just black screen on me. So no luck for 150mV and 200mV.

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